The Red Sox fans were infamous for their harsh criticisms of alleged steroid users so I think that tarnishes the titles in itself; if in fact Ortiz and Ramirez were using when they won the titles. I however, am not one of the people that condemn steroid users I am simply judging based on the criteria Red Sox fans use… and Curt Shilling.
Unfortunately, MLB is becoming like "championship" wrestling, not a sport anymore but an entertainment spectacle. And the leadership of MLB, and its union, appear to have ignored the signs of enhancements, because the druggies were drawing more and more watchers. As entertainers, instead of athletes, who cares what the baseball showboats take to hype their performances in front of us, but please accordingly take MLB off the sports category and put it in the Entertainment section of the papers and web sites, next to the soap operas and the Hollywood news. Do this until such time as baseball decides to return to be an athletic sport and not continue as a drugged-up entertainment spectacle. Lots of clean baseballers also want this.
Its clear that most if not all the greatest players used some sense of performance enhancing substance. It graduated from a healthy diet, to products like creatine, and naturally into HGH, that is how business is grown. If all the great players were doing it, doesn't that even the playing field?
Or better yet; now you know Clemens used steroids, did it make the memory of seeing him dominate from the mound all of the sudden become tainted?
Get used to it, people cheat, people are greedy. The game is a business, and if the difference between $12 million a year and multiple world series wins against perennial batting average of .215, I guarantee Mantle, Ruth, Williams, etc. would have used them. Just like Clemens, A-Rod, and Big Papi.
Enjoy the game, that's the point. Who are we to judge, we aren't in there shoes.
What happened to fighting the fans from the other team in the seats? That's when I was proud to be an American!! Now we are just a bunch of wine asses. If you don't agree, just keep reading what these people think.
A positive in 2003 has no direct relationship to 2004 and 2007 where both players tested clean 3X per season. It taints the players, but the Red Sox had zero players test positive during 2004 and 2007.
When did "the substances" become illegal? If after a player's (proven or not) use, there's no foul. Does anyone truly think the icons of the game -- Ruth et al -- would not have used them if available? The 1919 Black Sox stand as proof positive that players will transgress virtually anything if they think they can get away with it. Besides, baseball encourages "cheating:" stealing bases and signs? This is honesty? Other sports ban stolen signs don't they?
Did the Mitchell report have access to this list? Why were there no Boston players mentioned or even investigated? So we now believe what a paid politician reports. I think that we should be more upset with George Mitchell calling out selected names and not Boston players. Let's see this list. Any more DR players? Pujols?
Unbelievable comments from Ortiz. He needs to know what drugs were in his system so he can figure out if he took them. You just don't test positive for a drug without having taken them. That is unless you are Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Rafael Palmeiro, and on and on.
The way I see it, there should be 3 sets of record books, the pre-drug era, the steroid era and one in the future where the players p_ss in a cup every month. Anybody caught cheating, they sit out the year.
First- I'm a Yankee fan. Second, this doesn't tarnish anything but Manny & Papi's reputation. The RED SOX won the World Series, not just those two players. Either stop releasing names two at a time or release the entire list and get it over with.
This leaking stuff is a bunch of b.s. Let's get all the names out there, and all the substances involved, since some might have been pre-cursors [Andro like big Mac used] or stuff not even banned by baseball or other sports, and let's see just how wide-spread this was through all the organizations. It may even primarily be linked to the Hispanic players who worked with the dirty trainer. Heck if the balls [wound tighter] and bats [lighter, harder, maple instead of ash] can be juiced up then mayber we should just put an asterik in the record books starting with about 1999 and call it the "Steriod Era," like the "Dead Ball' Era.
Not sure whether the 2007 Championship was tainted, but the 2004 was definitely tainted.
Big Papi was the single biggest reason the Red Sox were able to comeback on the Yankees in the 2004 ALCS. Manny was the second biggest reason. Take one or both out of the equation and the Red Sox don't beat the Yanks.
More to the point the Twins Ortiz was mediocre at best, put him in place of the Red Sox Ortiz and they still don't comeback on the Yankees.
Ortiz was the ALCS MVP in 2004 and Manny was the WS MVP in 2004. Plain and simple the two biggest reasons the Red Sox won in 2004 were cheating. Of course the 2004 Championship was tainted.
It is an unbelievable comment from Ortiz that he needs to know what they found to be able to tell if he took it. We've heard it all before from Bond, Clemens, Palmeiro, Sosa and on and on. All these guys are cheaters, the union bosses are apologists for them and the executives at the MLB offices are gutless and just as much to blame.
There should be 3 sets of record books: Pre-Drug, Drug Era and one starting now where every major leaguer visits the dry room & P-sses in a cup every month.
Riiiiiiight. Since Manny and Ortiz were the ONLY baseball players using performance enhancing substances, by all means, let's wipe those Red Sox victories off the board. *dripping sarcasm*. How do you think the Yankees managed to do so well all those years? Or any other team, for that matter. I do not say these things gladly, as I wish the game was as pure as the driven snow, but sadly it is not. May the Powers That Be find a way to make it so . . . . . . . . . . . .
The Red Sox fans were infamous for their harsh criticisms of alleged steroid users so I think that tarnishes the titles in itself; if in fact Ortiz and Ramirez were using when they won the titles. I however, am not one of the people that condemn steroid users I am simply judging based on the criteria Red Sox fans use… and Curt Shilling.
Unfortunately, MLB is becoming like "championship" wrestling, not a sport anymore but an entertainment spectacle. And the leadership of MLB, and its union, appear to have ignored the signs of enhancements, because the druggies were drawing more and more watchers. As entertainers, instead of athletes, who cares what the baseball showboats take to hype their performances in front of us, but please accordingly take MLB off the sports category and put it in the Entertainment section of the papers and web sites, next to the soap operas and the Hollywood news. Do this until such time as baseball decides to return to be an athletic sport and not continue as a drugged-up entertainment spectacle. Lots of clean baseballers also want this.
Its clear that most if not all the greatest players used some sense of performance enhancing substance. It graduated from a healthy diet, to products like creatine, and naturally into HGH, that is how business is grown. If all the great players were doing it, doesn't that even the playing field?
Or better yet; now you know Clemens used steroids, did it make the memory of seeing him dominate from the mound all of the sudden become tainted?
Get used to it, people cheat, people are greedy. The game is a business, and if the difference between $12 million a year and multiple world series wins against perennial batting average of .215, I guarantee Mantle, Ruth, Williams, etc. would have used them. Just like Clemens, A-Rod, and Big Papi.
Enjoy the game, that's the point. Who are we to judge, we aren't in there shoes.
What happened to fighting the fans from the other team in the seats? That's when I was proud to be an American!! Now we are just a bunch of wine asses. If you don't agree, just keep reading what these people think.
p.s. There was no rule against using HGH when the "alleged" steroid usage took place.
The only morons to say this taints the World Series title are Yankme fans. The entire Yankme team is one huge syringe!
You can thank this whole mess on the spineless Fehr and the totally witless Selig.
A positive in 2003 has no direct relationship to 2004 and 2007 where both players tested clean 3X per season. It taints the players, but the Red Sox had zero players test positive during 2004 and 2007.
When did "the substances" become illegal? If after a player's (proven or not) use, there's no foul. Does anyone truly think the icons of the game -- Ruth et al -- would not have used them if available? The 1919 Black Sox stand as proof positive that players will transgress virtually anything if they think they can get away with it. Besides, baseball encourages "cheating:" stealing bases and signs? This is honesty? Other sports ban stolen signs don't they?
Did the Mitchell report have access to this list? Why were there no Boston players mentioned or even investigated? So we now believe what a paid politician reports. I think that we should be more upset with George Mitchell calling out selected names and not Boston players. Let's see this list. Any more DR players? Pujols?
Unbelievable comments from Ortiz. He needs to know what drugs were in his system so he can figure out if he took them. You just don't test positive for a drug without having taken them. That is unless you are Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Rafael Palmeiro, and on and on.
The way I see it, there should be 3 sets of record books, the pre-drug era, the steroid era and one in the future where the players p_ss in a cup every month. Anybody caught cheating, they sit out the year.
"The Curse of The Bambino" lives on! 91 years and counting.
First- I'm a Yankee fan. Second, this doesn't tarnish anything but Manny & Papi's reputation. The RED SOX won the World Series, not just those two players. Either stop releasing names two at a time or release the entire list and get it over with.
This leaking stuff is a bunch of b.s. Let's get all the names out there, and all the substances involved, since some might have been pre-cursors [Andro like big Mac used] or stuff not even banned by baseball or other sports, and let's see just how wide-spread this was through all the organizations. It may even primarily be linked to the Hispanic players who worked with the dirty trainer. Heck if the balls [wound tighter] and bats [lighter, harder, maple instead of ash] can be juiced up then mayber we should just put an asterik in the record books starting with about 1999 and call it the "Steriod Era," like the "Dead Ball' Era.
Not sure whether the 2007 Championship was tainted, but the 2004 was definitely tainted.
Big Papi was the single biggest reason the Red Sox were able to comeback on the Yankees in the 2004 ALCS. Manny was the second biggest reason. Take one or both out of the equation and the Red Sox don't beat the Yanks.
More to the point the Twins Ortiz was mediocre at best, put him in place of the Red Sox Ortiz and they still don't comeback on the Yankees.
Ortiz was the ALCS MVP in 2004 and Manny was the WS MVP in 2004. Plain and simple the two biggest reasons the Red Sox won in 2004 were cheating. Of course the 2004 Championship was tainted.
It's the Red Soxs. No one in 49 States gives a schitt.
It is an unbelievable comment from Ortiz that he needs to know what they found to be able to tell if he took it. We've heard it all before from Bond, Clemens, Palmeiro, Sosa and on and on. All these guys are cheaters, the union bosses are apologists for them and the executives at the MLB offices are gutless and just as much to blame.
There should be 3 sets of record books: Pre-Drug, Drug Era and one starting now where every major leaguer visits the dry room & P-sses in a cup every month.
The WS victories should have *'s placed on them.
The very small tip of a very large iceberg!
Riiiiiiight. Since Manny and Ortiz were the ONLY baseball players using performance enhancing substances, by all means, let's wipe those Red Sox victories off the board. *dripping sarcasm*. How do you think the Yankees managed to do so well all those years? Or any other team, for that matter. I do not say these things gladly, as I wish the game was as pure as the driven snow, but sadly it is not. May the Powers That Be find a way to make it so . . . . . . . . . . . .