Have you experienced tighter airport security following the attempted bombing of Flight 253? How are TSA agents and other security personnel acting differently? Are security lines tougher to get through? Please share your experiences.
IDK, I try not to travel too much, it is my job to fight, so my flights are always paid for and, one way. On occasion I have to fly in a commercial setting. OMG!!! WTF!!! It's that bad. I could not put up with those stupid TSA people all the time. I understand, everybody gots a job, but thier managment needs to be changed. When I flash a Military ID, and get checked more than someone with a turbin on....something is wrong.
Trying to leave Calgary today, but quickly realized there was no chance. Most flights into the US from Calgary were either delayed or outright canceled. Most folks were standing in line for 4 - 5 hours just to reach customs, all bags were being completely searched, and heard that all passengers were subject to a pat down. Our first trip was rebooked to the following day, but have already reserved tickets on Alaska for 12.29 incase we do not get out tomorrow.. this is just crazy and nuts to delay this many people.
My wife has been going through pre-flight screening now for 6 hours (Continental, Canada to NYC), and it's just getting worse. They announced "when half the people are screened, we'll leave" then changed it to 100%, even though some have left after being screened. It's outrageous to think this will help "make us safe." We are both multi-million mile travelers and this is the last straw. No more air travel for the foreseeable future. We will be using GoToMeeting, FreeConferenceCall, Skype, Basecamp and everything we can to not travel. I've just cancelled plans to go to China.
I barely made it out of the Toronto Airport last night... three hours late... but at least I made it out of there. Over 40 US bound flights were cancelled. The security line was so long that nearly everyone was several hours late getting to the gate after checkin. They held the planes for late passengers as long as they could, but then they started losing their gate slots... It snowballed until just about every US bound flight was cancelled. What a fantastic security program. Prevent all passengers from getting on a plane. I guess no one gets hurt if the plane never takes off.
We're on the same page. Read my post below. I have been flying for 44 years without incident and just feel abused by thiis nonsence. When was the last time any U.S. citizen brought a bomb onto an any carrier? TSA could better use the effort to concentrate on where the danger originates. Someone want to tell me why the Department of State did not cancel the visa after the U.S. Embassy was warned by the young man's father that his son posed a risk to U.S. interests? Is it fair to burden the entire airlines and its passengers for an error by the Department Of State. Maybe TSA ought to fix the obvious at State instead treating U.S. citizens as if we are bomb carriers? To sum up...State should have cancelledd the visa and none of this would be happening!
I believe that the hollywood movies: one flew over the coo-coos nest and dumb and dumber have taken residence in our capitol (DC). U. S. A. department secretaries and their rule making idiots have taken major steps in removing rights granted to the AMERICAN PEOPLE (this means legal citizens) in our bill-of-rights and constitution and for what? This combat enemy (you know soldiers don't ware a uniform from muslimville) that landed in America on an American Airplane trying to blow that darn infidel aircraft to hell was sent to our hospital first, then got a personal visit from one of our judges, and now somebody in government has appointed legal council and made attempts to schedule skin grafts. WHAT! Where is the military? Why isn't this guy being held at a military high security complex, maybe being waterboarded to find out if there are others out there approaching our boarders with simular ideas. WAKEUP AMERICA.
My holiday travels haven't changed too much. Trip to Wal-Mart, no TSA. Trip to grocery store, no TSA. Trip to Brothers house, well an army guy showed up and my brother and I are USMC vets and dad is retire USAF, but no problem getting there and back.
Otherwise, no change in travel plans and no additional effort involved.
I have to fly out of Detroit next week for an international trip and I'm dreading it. What a load of garbage from Homeland Security - instead of investigating why this guy didn't set off flags in Amsterdam, they are instead punishing all air passengers "for our own safety." Mandatory pat-downs for all passengers? Confining us to our seats for the last hour of the flight? An ill passenger goes to the washroom for a while to relieve himself then gets annoyed with the flight crew after having his privacy invaded, and he gets arrested? Sounds like a page right out of the book of Communist Russia. Kudos to Homeland Security. Or should I say, Motherland Security. Do they really think terrorists are smart enough to sew syringes of explosives into their underwear but too stupid to figure out that with the new rules they simply have to get their device out and detonate it BEFORE the last hour of the flight? What's next for airport security: should I strip down, strap on a Depends, and put on an orange jumpsuit for my flight?
The US government needs to completely shut down the Department of Homeland Security and start all over. Everything that the Bush Government did in the days and months after 9/11 was a disaster and none of it has worked. Once again this event shows that we are still suffering from the mistakes of Bush and Cheney.
Let us do a real clean sweep and get rid of everything that Bush/Cheney/Lieberman did to mess up Homeland security.
Thats a good idea, arrive at airport, zero luggage, camera, cell phone eye glasses etc, strip to as born baby, receive light weight pull over like in MD's Office, take your seat and shut up. Beats walking from LA to Detroit
By the way, Bush has been out of office for almost a YEAR. How long will it take you feather heads to realize it is not BUSH it is OBAMA!!!! Obama is the one who is raising your taxes up and up.
Also what does this have anything to do with the office of president.
Talk about dumb look in the mirrow.
Would you like to be flying and have a it blasted out of the sky!!!
the actions of others have consecuences ding bag and consecuences can have a long after effect. Right, It has only been a year and Bush @!$%#ed it up for moret than that!
You are absolutely right!!! By the way, at least we don't have to deal with the idiot Palin!! Otherwisse we'd be on our way to South Africa despite holding a ticket to Moscow!!
What I hate is everytime I go to the airport with my turban on and a few small electrical items with wires and batteries attached in my back pack, I never check luggage and like to pay cash for one way tickets, I am always the one who gets sent to secondary inspection??
Its time for our country; govt officials, media, Hollywood, bleeding hearts, etc. to collectively pull their heads out of their P.C. clouds and quit being apologetic for these radicals. We all know who they are and where they come from. Its about time to allow our agencies the freedom to do their jobs, profiling included.
If we are to remain as a free society, its time to be aggressively proactive and not reactive.
I am in agreement with everyone's sentiments here so far, the department of Homeland Security have gone to far! I am an American and have lived outside the US for the past 16 years, but I travel back-n-forth very often and these changes make no sense. Staying seated for the last hr of a flight is not the answer, I live in Bangkok, it is 15 hrs non-stop from BKK to LAX and now in the last hr you can't get up streatch or even go to the can.... Wait until the first person uses their motion sickness bag as a bathroom and then hands it to the air hostess to dispose it. The Airline industry is loosing money now by the billions and with these new restrictions and complaints people will just limit their travel. Like the gentleman states above he is going to Skype, NetMeeting and other forms of video conferencing. Nothing in life is 100% safe but we can be smarter than this, can't we? Surely if the money was spent properly and had less politics involved we could get something done. Taking your shoes off still is a needless step, here in Asia many airports have special mats you step on that xray the shoe, see the metal strip in the bottom and let you go, if it looks odd then you take the shoe off. If small countries like Vietnam and Thailand can do this why can't the US be smarter about how they protect people instead of inconveniencing them with items that 'show' they are doing something but are not really doing much at all. As prj-477820 stated above forget about the PC attitude, profile people if you have to it may make some people angry but it will work better than these methods.
By the time you check in and go through security on most domestic flights of < 500 miles you could drive to your destination and be there before the flight actually arrives!
In addition, I would have to say that most TSA employees have < average IQ's and we put our safety in their hands? What a joke!
It's time to require all elected officials to use the same transportation system as their masters do. They are after all public servants, not rulers!
They do not need the private jets to wisk them around the globe.
Things might change a bit as they experience the degrading humilation of pat downs, shoes off, and someone rummaging through your dirty underwear at the end of a long trip.
These rules are the most ridiculous ever, and the press only makes things worse. Once again, passengers on this flight showed that a 9/11 event will not happen again, because passengers will not allow it to happen again.
The United States might as well just shut down all airlines because we have shown that we do not know how to handle security issues correctly.
One hour before flight ends? Someone could do the same thing before that.
GPS disabled? Someone could easily look out the window!
These regulations are stupid and ineffective and do not solve the problem of preventing people from getting onboard the plane in the first place which is the root of the problem.
Hmmm why not just fill the passenger cabin with nitrous oxide prior to take off and refill with normal air on touchdown?
Step two. If an incident occurs in flight at altitude, the captain will immediately depressurize the passenger cabin and turn off the emergency oxygen rendering all passengers unconscious and extinguishing all fames. After making sure that it is safe, a armed crewmember with personal breathing apparatus can enter the passenger cabin and place any terrorist in a sealed container to be ejected prior to descending to a safe altitude.
in addition to my previous statement, last year in Sarasota, FLA, I watched the security staff take away the cane of an old man that could not stand up. he had to grab the sides of the detector. on top of that, they made him remove his suspenders so whiel trying to keep his pants up and hold on to the detector, it was just a marvelous experience for him.
I am a life long Dem, liberal leaning 60 YO...yet when white guys my age start committing terrorist acts (outside of blowing up clinics and shooting doctors to death) start with the freakin' profiling gdi!!!!!
Instead of standing there watching, and complaining now, did you bother to offer the old gentleman a hand? Did you bother to bring this to anyone's attention who would have been able to assist?
I traveled out of Mccarran Airport, Las Vegas the day after Christmas and didn't notice any difference in screening. About 20 minutes before boarding 7-8 security guards arrived at the gate, surrounded everyone waiting in the concourse for Continental flight 480 to Cleveland and watched us board the plane.
BTW to the twits bitchin' about this admin...where were you the previous 8 years to this admin? I didn't hear you whining then??? You bent over for them or went shopping!!!!
Totally agree with you guys. The new knee-jerk TSA air flight rules are staggering in their stupidity and ineffectiveness.
Locking the toilets for an hour before landing? Banning in-flight entertainment -- or holding a book in your lap? Confining people to their seats? How exactly will that make me safer? Like chsmcs above, I live in Asia and am not looking forward to my next trip to the US. Even prisoners receive more compassionate treatment!
I have no problem with an additional pre-flight screening. But once I've gone through that process, I expect to be treated with dignity and respect in the air, not harassed, bullied and restrained like a criminal because the TSA can't get its act together on the ground.
i was goint to take an trip involving airlines this x-mas break but since it is likely to involve an even MORE intrusive and belligerent security harassment , FORGET IT!!!!
I have flown many times through Amsterdam. Their security measures have been top notch.
I was planning to fly round trip from Anchorage to Seattle in the last week of December. With the new TSA measures I will be boycotting flying unless a life or death situation arises.
I still cannot forget the TSA agent in Seattle taking my homemade Salsa and jelly because they are considered explosive liquids. When will it every end?
Have you experienced tighter airport security following the attempted bombing of Flight 253? How are TSA agents and other security personnel acting differently? Are security lines tougher to get through? Please share your experiences.
IDK, I try not to travel too much, it is my job to fight, so my flights are always paid for and, one way. On occasion I have to fly in a commercial setting. OMG!!! WTF!!! It's that bad. I could not put up with those stupid TSA people all the time. I understand, everybody gots a job, but thier managment needs to be changed. When I flash a Military ID, and get checked more than someone with a turbin on....something is wrong.
Trying to leave Calgary today, but quickly realized there was no chance. Most flights into the US from Calgary were either delayed or outright canceled. Most folks were standing in line for 4 - 5 hours just to reach customs, all bags were being completely searched, and heard that all passengers were subject to a pat down. Our first trip was rebooked to the following day, but have already reserved tickets on Alaska for 12.29 incase we do not get out tomorrow.. this is just crazy and nuts to delay this many people.
Mitch -
I totally understand what you're saying, but take a look from a different angle - inconvenienced or dead...Inconvenience me anytime!
We all know that when incidents like this take place there is going to be heightened security.
My wife has been going through pre-flight screening now for 6 hours (Continental, Canada to NYC), and it's just getting worse. They announced "when half the people are screened, we'll leave" then changed it to 100%, even though some have left after being screened. It's outrageous to think this will help "make us safe." We are both multi-million mile travelers and this is the last straw. No more air travel for the foreseeable future. We will be using GoToMeeting, FreeConferenceCall, Skype, Basecamp and everything we can to not travel. I've just cancelled plans to go to China.
I barely made it out of the Toronto Airport last night... three hours late... but at least I made it out of there. Over 40 US bound flights were cancelled. The security line was so long that nearly everyone was several hours late getting to the gate after checkin. They held the planes for late passengers as long as they could, but then they started losing their gate slots... It snowballed until just about every US bound flight was cancelled. What a fantastic security program. Prevent all passengers from getting on a plane. I guess no one gets hurt if the plane never takes off.
We're on the same page. Read my post below. I have been flying for 44 years without incident and just feel abused by thiis nonsence. When was the last time any U.S. citizen brought a bomb onto an any carrier? TSA could better use the effort to concentrate on where the danger originates. Someone want to tell me why the Department of State did not cancel the visa after the U.S. Embassy was warned by the young man's father that his son posed a risk to U.S. interests? Is it fair to burden the entire airlines and its passengers for an error by the Department Of State. Maybe TSA ought to fix the obvious at State instead treating U.S. citizens as if we are bomb carriers? To sum up...State should have cancelledd the visa and none of this would be happening!
Curtis
I believe that the hollywood movies: one flew over the coo-coos nest and dumb and dumber have taken residence in our capitol (DC). U. S. A. department secretaries and their rule making idiots have taken major steps in removing rights granted to the AMERICAN PEOPLE (this means legal citizens) in our bill-of-rights and constitution and for what? This combat enemy (you know soldiers don't ware a uniform from muslimville) that landed in America on an American Airplane trying to blow that darn infidel aircraft to hell was sent to our hospital first, then got a personal visit from one of our judges, and now somebody in government has appointed legal council and made attempts to schedule skin grafts. WHAT! Where is the military? Why isn't this guy being held at a military high security complex, maybe being waterboarded to find out if there are others out there approaching our boarders with simular ideas. WAKEUP AMERICA.
My holiday travels haven't changed too much. Trip to Wal-Mart, no TSA. Trip to grocery store, no TSA. Trip to Brothers house, well an army guy showed up and my brother and I are USMC vets and dad is retire USAF, but no problem getting there and back.
Otherwise, no change in travel plans and no additional effort involved.
I like you! Thanks for the smile your holiday travel plans brought to me :)
I have to fly out of Detroit next week for an international trip and I'm dreading it. What a load of garbage from Homeland Security - instead of investigating why this guy didn't set off flags in Amsterdam, they are instead punishing all air passengers "for our own safety." Mandatory pat-downs for all passengers? Confining us to our seats for the last hour of the flight? An ill passenger goes to the washroom for a while to relieve himself then gets annoyed with the flight crew after having his privacy invaded, and he gets arrested? Sounds like a page right out of the book of Communist Russia. Kudos to Homeland Security. Or should I say, Motherland Security. Do they really think terrorists are smart enough to sew syringes of explosives into their underwear but too stupid to figure out that with the new rules they simply have to get their device out and detonate it BEFORE the last hour of the flight? What's next for airport security: should I strip down, strap on a Depends, and put on an orange jumpsuit for my flight?
You read my mind. Idiots!!!
Exactly
The US government needs to completely shut down the Department of Homeland Security and start all over. Everything that the Bush Government did in the days and months after 9/11 was a disaster and none of it has worked. Once again this event shows that we are still suffering from the mistakes of Bush and Cheney.
Let us do a real clean sweep and get rid of everything that Bush/Cheney/Lieberman did to mess up Homeland security.
Thats a good idea, arrive at airport, zero luggage, camera, cell phone eye glasses etc, strip to as born baby, receive light weight pull over like in MD's Office, take your seat and shut up. Beats walking from LA to Detroit
By the way, Bush has been out of office for almost a YEAR. How long will it take you feather heads to realize it is not BUSH it is OBAMA!!!! Obama is the one who is raising your taxes up and up.
Also what does this have anything to do with the office of president.
Talk about dumb look in the mirrow.
Would you like to be flying and have a it blasted out of the sky!!!
the actions of others have consecuences ding bag and consecuences can have a long after effect. Right, It has only been a year and Bush @!$%#ed it up for moret than that!
You are absolutely right!!! By the way, at least we don't have to deal with the idiot Palin!! Otherwisse we'd be on our way to South Africa despite holding a ticket to Moscow!!
What I hate is everytime I go to the airport with my turban on and a few small electrical items with wires and batteries attached in my back pack, I never check luggage and like to pay cash for one way tickets, I am always the one who gets sent to secondary inspection??
Its time for our country; govt officials, media, Hollywood, bleeding hearts, etc. to collectively pull their heads out of their P.C. clouds and quit being apologetic for these radicals. We all know who they are and where they come from. Its about time to allow our agencies the freedom to do their jobs, profiling included.
If we are to remain as a free society, its time to be aggressively proactive and not reactive.
"If we are to remain as a free society"
If we are, then you need to stop advocating the curtailing of our freedoms.
I am in agreement with everyone's sentiments here so far, the department of Homeland Security have gone to far! I am an American and have lived outside the US for the past 16 years, but I travel back-n-forth very often and these changes make no sense. Staying seated for the last hr of a flight is not the answer, I live in Bangkok, it is 15 hrs non-stop from BKK to LAX and now in the last hr you can't get up streatch or even go to the can.... Wait until the first person uses their motion sickness bag as a bathroom and then hands it to the air hostess to dispose it. The Airline industry is loosing money now by the billions and with these new restrictions and complaints people will just limit their travel. Like the gentleman states above he is going to Skype, NetMeeting and other forms of video conferencing. Nothing in life is 100% safe but we can be smarter than this, can't we? Surely if the money was spent properly and had less politics involved we could get something done. Taking your shoes off still is a needless step, here in Asia many airports have special mats you step on that xray the shoe, see the metal strip in the bottom and let you go, if it looks odd then you take the shoe off. If small countries like Vietnam and Thailand can do this why can't the US be smarter about how they protect people instead of inconveniencing them with items that 'show' they are doing something but are not really doing much at all. As prj-477820 stated above forget about the PC attitude, profile people if you have to it may make some people angry but it will work better than these methods.
I gave you one up, and I, totally agree.
What if the flight is less than an hour. Does that mean you can't use the facilities at all?
Yes.....and if you make any disturbance, you can count on a homeland security force in riot gear to meet you at your destination! Ha!
By the time you check in and go through security on most domestic flights of < 500 miles you could drive to your destination and be there before the flight actually arrives!
In addition, I would have to say that most TSA employees have < average IQ's and we put our safety in their hands? What a joke!
Are you "listening" to yourselves?
It's time to require all elected officials to use the same transportation system as their masters do. They are after all public servants, not rulers!
They do not need the private jets to wisk them around the globe.
Things might change a bit as they experience the degrading humilation of pat downs, shoes off, and someone rummaging through your dirty underwear at the end of a long trip.
Well, if there's one thing al-Qaeda accomplished with 9/11, it's the destruction of the air travel industry.
These rules are the most ridiculous ever, and the press only makes things worse. Once again, passengers on this flight showed that a 9/11 event will not happen again, because passengers will not allow it to happen again.
The United States might as well just shut down all airlines because we have shown that we do not know how to handle security issues correctly.
Totally Ridiculous just opens the Private Aviation Sector up even more. For Some extra cash why not go point to point and No TSA lines.
This is absolutely ridiculous.
One hour before flight ends? Someone could do the same thing before that.
GPS disabled? Someone could easily look out the window!
These regulations are stupid and ineffective and do not solve the problem of preventing people from getting onboard the plane in the first place which is the root of the problem.
with a stent in my chest and a titanium knee, I get felt up for 5-10 minutes every time anyhow...
Ditto with titanium rods in my back.
Sounds like a personal problem to me
Hmmm why not just fill the passenger cabin with nitrous oxide prior to take off and refill with normal air on touchdown?
Step two. If an incident occurs in flight at altitude, the captain will immediately depressurize the passenger cabin and turn off the emergency oxygen rendering all passengers unconscious and extinguishing all fames. After making sure that it is safe, a armed crewmember with personal breathing apparatus can enter the passenger cabin and place any terrorist in a sealed container to be ejected prior to descending to a safe altitude.
This is a brilliant, well thought out suggestion...from another retired Airline pilot
in addition to my previous statement, last year in Sarasota, FLA, I watched the security staff take away the cane of an old man that could not stand up. he had to grab the sides of the detector. on top of that, they made him remove his suspenders so whiel trying to keep his pants up and hold on to the detector, it was just a marvelous experience for him.
I am a life long Dem, liberal leaning 60 YO...yet when white guys my age start committing terrorist acts (outside of blowing up clinics and shooting doctors to death) start with the freakin' profiling gdi!!!!!
Instead of standing there watching, and complaining now, did you bother to offer the old gentleman a hand? Did you bother to bring this to anyone's attention who would have been able to assist?
I doubt TSA would allow anyone to aid the old man.
I traveled out of Mccarran Airport, Las Vegas the day after Christmas and didn't notice any difference in screening. About 20 minutes before boarding 7-8 security guards arrived at the gate, surrounded everyone waiting in the concourse for Continental flight 480 to Cleveland and watched us board the plane.
BTW to the twits bitchin' about this admin...where were you the previous 8 years to this admin? I didn't hear you whining then??? You bent over for them or went shopping!!!!
Totally agree with you guys. The new knee-jerk TSA air flight rules are staggering in their stupidity and ineffectiveness.
Locking the toilets for an hour before landing? Banning in-flight entertainment -- or holding a book in your lap? Confining people to their seats? How exactly will that make me safer? Like chsmcs above, I live in Asia and am not looking forward to my next trip to the US. Even prisoners receive more compassionate treatment!
I have no problem with an additional pre-flight screening. But once I've gone through that process, I expect to be treated with dignity and respect in the air, not harassed, bullied and restrained like a criminal because the TSA can't get its act together on the ground.
Prisoners aren't apt to blow you up at 30k feet. You're comparing apples to grapefruit!
i was goint to take an trip involving airlines this x-mas break but since it is likely to involve an even MORE intrusive and belligerent security harassment , FORGET IT!!!!
I have flown many times through Amsterdam. Their security measures have been top notch.
I was planning to fly round trip from Anchorage to Seattle in the last week of December. With the new TSA measures I will be boycotting flying unless a life or death situation arises.
I still cannot forget the TSA agent in Seattle taking my homemade Salsa and jelly because they are considered explosive liquids. When will it every end?