How would you feel if you were aboard one of the planes that was directed by a child at JFK airport on Feb. 17?
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How would you feel if you were aboard one of the planes that was directed by a child at JFK airport on Feb. 17?
How would you feel if you were aboard one of the planes that was directed by a child at JFK airport on Feb. 17?
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This is really ridiculous that it's becoming such a huge ordeal! The child was NOT directing traffic. He was repeating what an air traffic controlman was telling him. OBVIOUSLY if the child said something inccorectly then the ATC would have corrected it, and OBVIOUSLY these were routine operations. No one was in danger and there was no emergency. What a way to blow things out of proportion!
I totally agree with your comment. That incident was actually quite cute,the way the pilots were reacting to his directions. It's obvious that a child his age couldn't possibly give those directions himself or come up with those words on his own...Get over it,those of you making a big deal out of nothing. If they were letting him fly the plane, then we might have something to worry about.
That was my initial feeling, but then I thought about just the nature of it being an unnecessary distraction to both the aircrew and the controller. What was not getting attention while he was tending to his trainee? That's more of the value of an investigation...you have to answer that question, not necessarily for this incident alone, but looking into how they do business. It's a flag, just like claiming something on your taxes that catches the attention of the IRS. Plus, in that job, even seconds mean a lot.
Come on, this is just idiotic. Why would you think for even a second that it would be OK to have a child do this? Too much Harry Potter, too much Star Wars. Too many doting parents with little geniuses.
Seriously? So if your loved ones were actually on that flight, that would still be ok? If it was anything else than air traffic controlling, it would be "cute", but I have to agree that this child should never have had the clearance to get to this restricted area, and if they DO get away with this, what else will be tried to see if it's "cute"? I don't know about firing the controller, but clearly, this should NEVER have been allowed and this being in the media just REEKS of how porous our security is... anyone think of that?
And Jennie, unless you know every single aspect of being an air traffic controller, then I feel you are over-simplifying this, not realizing the distraction this child could have caused that could have be disastrous. I certainly don't know the ins and outs of this job, DO YOU?
salt - maybe you don't realize that there are two major issues here:
1) what the F was the kid doing there? This is work, not a playground.
2) you have to be licensed to broadcast on those airwaves because it's a professional job NOT handled by people under the age of 18.
Whoever is responsible will either be canned or will be fined. This is no joke and I am outraged.
Kids are way smarter than people give them credit for. Kids his age are probably building and repairing their own PCs. This kid just repeated what he was told and was showing an interest in a potential career. I think it's great. If he had messed up it would have been quickly corrected, but how can you mess up pointing to a screen and telling him to read that name and say 'is cleared for takeoff'. I think it's awesome.
Seriously? So if your loved ones were actually on that flight, that would still be ok?
He only made 5 transmissions and 2 of them are in the article. My loved ones would be in no more danger hearing "JetBlue 171 contact departure." from a kid than he would from an adult who could potentially be hung over from the night before.
Aren't there laws against air traffic controllers who are not qualified? Certainly a child would not be and has no business in the tower.
What outrages me is the way the media put their twist on it and the idiots that believe this was such an extreme dangerous situation. As a child, I remember going to work with my dad who was the dispatch supervisor with the state hwy patrol. I too got to talk on the radion a couple of times to clear troopers from break etc. As a pilot, I actually smiled as the child cleared the plane for take off. Afterall, the plane had been in line on the tarmak waiting clearance. The child was not, "directing traffic" he simply advised the pilot, it's your turn in line, now go, get, be gone with you. Seriously, this has been blown way out of proportion. Another media bias slant enrage people and control your thoughts. It's no different than a father, cutting the umbilical cord. My God, he's doing a medical procedure with no training or experience. What was he doing there to begin with? lol.
Yeah, it's all "cute" until there's an accident, then all hell breaks loose! Procedures are in place for a reason; breaking them shows disregard for everyone else from the ground crews to the people paying for the seats. Boo-hoo all you want, the controller was WRONG. And if you think too lightly of the incident, you have no sense of responsibility yourself!
The ones who are "terrified" seem to not understand that these airplanes were on the ground. When the kid says "contact departure," he is directing the pilots to switch frequencies and contact the departure controller who is the only one who gives the clearance to push back from the gate.
THERE WAS NO MORE RISK OF HARM IN THIS THAN IF YOU LET YOUR OWN KID TALK TO ONE OF YOUR CLIENTS ON YOUR OFFICE TELEPHONE!!!
Shoulda, woulda, coulda. NOTHING HAPPENED. Maybe this child's positive exposure to this work environment will convince him become an air traffic controller some day. Children need to be exposed to their parents' workplaces - whatever they are. How does anyone know that this hasn't happened before in some other workplace? Like in the Pentagon, or at the White House, or on a naval base? As long as there is adequate supervision, I say no harm done.
You are right. Too much ado about nothing. Trainees do the same thing and more. Some of them run it on their own. With just the operator looking on. Remember take your daughter to work. Worry about planes being crashed into buildings.
"A Pilot" I completely with you. I guarantee 95% of these "outraged" people are soccer moms that sit at home all day and watch Oprah. Get with it people.
If this shocks you, lock yourself in a padded room and throw away the key.
I was a controller at Standiford Field in the mid/late 80s. One of the supervisors let his girlfriend do the same thing. It probably happens fairly often. All they do is parrot what the controler tells them. No harm.
No big deal really, but man who was the person who thought this wouldn't be blown up beyond proportion? Boy you almost topped whatever mixed-up, misguided crap that must have been going through balloon boy's dad's head when he thought up that stunt.
What's next? Gramps lets the grandson drive an Acela train?
Boob...
Let me re-phrase the question for those who find no problem with this incident.
How would you feel if such an incident happened while you or your family were flying back from vacation in Africa, Asia or say, Middle East?
Come on...this is serious breach of security. I am not against parents taking kids to work....some work are special and are out of reach for children.
Good Lord people, get over it. Ground clearance communication in no way interferes with the safety of the aircraft. God forbid this kid be interested in ATC and be allowed to give a couple ground signals to an aircrew who obviously thought it was neat as well. You bunch of tree-hugging, lets regulate everything and have a freakin oversight committee mentality liberals need to pipe down. These are the same people who created a safety program that frisks 75 year old grandmas with nail clippers at Security while clean shaven, nervous Muslims are allowed to go right through for fear of profiling.
I think I would be more worried about the 21 year old co-pilot with 150 hours of flight experience making $20k a year that is actually flying your airplane than this supervised kid giving a couple ground signals. If you knew half of what happened between boarding and deplaning your aircraft, you would never fly again.
Dead on Mark. Though I am not sure all the nervous nellies are left-wing tree huggers. It was HS under Bush that wanted all grandma's frisked.
Agreed. I didn't mention any party affiliation. There are liberal Republicans.
I love the people responding with statements like "if your family was on this plane..." and "...you need to be 18 to transmit on these frequencies..." when they have no idea as to the comings and goings of aviation. I aplaud the father for taking an interest in his kid instead of dropping him off at daycare, and if i was on that plane or a family member was on the plane my opinion wouldnt change. You DONT have to be 18 or a professional on those frequencies, there is no law against that, there are pilots out there solo'ing at 16 and kids younger then that who fly a cessna with their old man and talk on these frequencies all the time and nothing is done about that. I was probably this kids age when I first flew an airplane, and I also got a tour of a tower. The kid was supervised by his dad and his dad was on the comms right next to him in case he needed to step in. I think it is tragic that uninformed members of the media have blown this out of preportion and could ruin this guys life and his sons.
I agree, this whole thing is blown out of proportion.
What ever happened to old style American life when you can bring in your kid to work for a day and let them repeat what you say? In the old days, people learned how to do this work by "apprenticeship" by doing small tasks as a kid.
Nowadays all the liberal red tape, big government bureaucrats force people to spend $100,000 in college debt just to get near ATC and speak to an airplane... Believe me, I've taken ATC classes and there's really not much to the job where you have to be that strict. FAA is a joke to begin with.
I see no issue with this; the child was being supervised. What if this young man wants to be an ATC someday? That little taste the young man got I'm sure was a real confidence-booster. It's never too early to build a child's confidence, especially when speaking in public, or on a radio in this case.
This whole issue is ridiculous...it's completely blown out of proportion...Where do these mentally retarded nay-sayers come from...
This whole thing is idiotic. I see the "enraged" people going off half cocked as usual. Most of the others not looking at the whole picture here. The kid was repeating exactly what his father told him to say there was no harm done. If there was an emergency I am sure s"Sonny" would have been off the air. These planes were all on the ground and manuvearing for take-off position. They knew who was on air and seemed to appreciate the father showing his son the ropes so to speak. There really was very little that could go wrong here. But of course our system of over controlling idiots can't see that, all they see that the letter of the law was not followed. But at many other times it is okay for controllers to talk on the phone or come in half drunk and crash planes into each other. Okay a little overboard, but you get the point. This guy does no real harm and gets the same suspension as the guy who possibly caused several deaths in a mid-air collision.
To those of you who think it was OK, I kindly ask that all of you get on the plane and be quiet.
Me? I ask that the FAA severely punish those responsible.
The ones who are "terrified" seem to not understand that these airplanes were on the ground. When the kid says "contact departure," he is directing the pilots to switch frequencies and contact the departure controller who is the only one who gives the clearance to push back from the gate.
It is NOT my job to understand and it WAS NOT this kid's job to be in the control tower.
FIRE THEM ALL.
@ Karen in LA - I would have absolutely NO problem being on a plane who's pilot received instructions from a closely supervised child to CHANGE RADIO CHANNELS... which is exactly what happened here. The kid wasn't directing traffic, or planes in the air. He was merely telling a handful of planes who were in LINE to take off that they were cleared to SPEAK to the departure controllers. No planes moved an inch under the direction of the kid, the only thing that happened is the pilot changed radio channels, contrary to what appears to be popular belief, this does not put planes at risk of explosion. Everyone involved should be fired??? Good grief lady, get a grip!
No it was not the kids job to be in the control tower, however it is allowed for employees to occasionally bring immediate family members for tours. No security was breached and nothing wrong happened here. For MSNBC to be comparing this incident to the pilot who killed 70+ people in the 90's for handing PHYSICAL control of a plane over to his kids is just ludicrous. Seriously, this country doesn't have enough serious stuff to be worrying about that this non-event needs to be hysterical headlining news???
Typical over-reaction. I know several airline pilots and a controller who agree. We have bigger issues to deal with.
Okay, so it was probably not the MOST professional decision. And, because it became so public, posted on the internet, etc., the company probably feels it must take action towards the air traffic controller - particularly in the wake of all that has happened over the last well, ten years, lol.
But...there is a gross over-reaction in the press - which contributes to the airports obligation for disciplinary action! If they could just do it quietly, if it wasn't such a public thing...they probably could have overlooked it with a warning.
Which, in my opinion, is about what should have happened. A warning, some type of disciplinary action...and then go on. I think that the press and our ability to reach everyone on this planet with something as small as this...is partially to blame for this guy losing his job. Nothing is private anymore.
Totally agree with you! The press in this country takes things and harps on it so much. This poor man will probably lose his job over this and that is SO stupid! I applaud him for taking his kids to work and giving them a taste of what daddy does all day!
I agree and I am a pilot. The child was not directing traffic he was being told exactly what to say. The father was the one controlling the plane. My 10 year old granddaughter has been flying with me since she was three. She flys the plane and can hold heading and altitude better than most pilots I fly with. She made her first landing last year with me coaching. I thought it was perfect she said it was a little rough. I am in control of the plane when she flys and can take over at any time. It is no different than when an instructor is flying with a student pilot. The media hype over this is ridiculous but of course these are the same people that call every small airplane a Cessna and every private jet is a Lear.
On March 23, 1994, a fifteen year old boy was allowed at the controls of an Aeroflot flight by his father, the captain, who was supervising him. The plane was on auto pilot, and the pilot was proud to show off to his son the new Airbus A310 that he had the privilege of flying. Unbeknownst to his father, the boy disengaged the autopilot, and, before the captain could regain control, the plane crashed into a mountain, killing all 75 passengers and crew. There are certain places where children do not belong. The comment that this is something that "childless people" would not understand is stupid and insulting. Safeguards are in place for a reason, and disasters occur when complacent, arrogant people overlook those safeguards. Instead of answering the question, how would you feel if you were on the flight that was controlled by a child, answer this question: how would you feel if you (or a loved one) died in a plane crash that was being controlled by a child?
I think it is crazy that anyone is making a big deal about this!. This kid was clearly supervised. Not being a smart ass or being disruptive. It probably made the day of the pilots that spoke to him. This was a good father, great bonding for father and son.
AND IN OTHER NEWS . . . a California teen was found murdered ......
This "bring your kid to work" story being told in such a negative way is dispicable given the real tragedies we are surrounded with every day.
This story is told in a REALISTIC way! If there had been a tragedy with this plane what would be the reaction? The California teen was killed by a MURDERER! If someone would have been killed on this plane, it would have been an accident?
There was no danger in what transpired in the tower. None whatsoever. The supervisor was heard in the background and was in complete control of the situation. It wasn't as if the child was in the tower unsupervised blurting out instructions that could have caused problems.
It's not an important story to get all hyped up about when there are real tragedies in our lives that deserve the lime light.
No way to argue this point.
Ksnider
Who authorized this "bring your kid to work day and why was he the only kid there?
That is NOT true.
Remember when kids who were flying solo used to be able to go look at the controls and meet the pilot? For obvious reasons post 9-11 that is no longer allowed (I am not saying it should be returned either).
They also used to give plastic safety pin wings... I am sure some one complained about those too. Someone complained about toy weapons and now legos can get a kid sent home. A note proclaiming good things about friends doesn't earn the girl detention and a cleaning assignment, but instead handcuffs.
Kids spend more time being told what they can't legally do because they will be prosecuted. They should be able to sail through law school by 16.
This story is the point where the media is persecuting good parents trying to raise good kids into great citizens just for lack of other news. Nothing happened and there may be a current parent's dream job down the toilet and a child's future dream beaten to death thanks to the news outlets. Hope they reporters are proud of themselves.
Somebody had to clear this kid through security, through to the tower and to speak on the radio. I am so over the idea that since it is a kid its ok- BS- terrorists use kids and women to hide bombs for this very reason. The issue here is that this happened and the peoper documentation wasn't in place- had it been, the supervisor would have said 'look at this we saw nothing wrong' they did not go through the proper channels.
I went to work with my dad, who was an aviation electrician's mate, and I was allowed to speak on the ships com, of course this was LOOONG before 9/11. I do think my patients would object to my son giving nurses orders on their care.
They also used to give plastic safety pin wings
I just got one of those a couple of months ago for my son. Some airlines must still be doing it.
Drsteph, I hope I never come across you professionally as you are completely clueless and without common sense. The people who took the kid through security were security cleared. If you were standing beside your son telling him what to say to the nurses, do you really think your patients would object. Furthermore the kid in question was giving instructions with the same level of importance as "Please roll over, I need to straighten your sheet."
Yes I do. I have to get clearance for my child even to follow me around at work, and generally they are to be seen and not heard. There are severe restrictions on whether or not they can even be in a patient's room. I would never allow a child to give orders to a nurse- and FYI they would never be allowed to. These are primarily from the Fed restrictions and I doubt that The Flight Controllers have less restrictions than hospitals do.
And I hope I never come across you either, you sound as if your approach is don't worry be happy- which is how people let their lives get out of control.
This is classic human behavior - we continually ignore inappropriate behavior until a tragedy occurs. Why, for once, can't we look at this for what it is - a serious problem that we have the good fortune to know about and correct before someone dies. The complacency I am reading on this vine is the same that has allowed so many senseless tragedies to occur in human history. Will we ever evolve past this, and become people who realize when a mistake has occurred, and correct it?
Why would you want to make and issues out of this, we have so many children in this world that has no guidance. This is a great thing, that this child is so interested in what his parent does for a living, we need more role models like this. Do not criticize them for show interest in their child's future.
Where was it stated that the child had an interest in air traffic control? They told us nothing about this child, not even the age. He or she could have been five for God's sake.
My Dad was an architect and while I respect it, I would never want to do it. Assuming this kid wants to follow in the parent's footsteps is assuming a lot. Take the kid to Disney World if you want to entertain. This was reckless.
Kids are VERY vocal on what they do and don't want to do. If the kid didn't want to repeat those instructions, no matter what age they were, they would have resisted and it would have never happened.
There was nothing wreckless about it. The environment was controlled, he was not involved in take offs and/or landings. He simply repeated the instructions the adult would have said - no one was confused or erroneously told to change lanes . . . the gold medal was not at stake, nor was anyone's safety. This was nothing more than a neat experience for a kid who happened to go to his father's place of business and see what it's like. End of story.
Now, go after some of these deadbeat dads who don't pay child support at all, or after the dads who pay support but have no interest in their children whatsoever.
Seriously, anyone who is "enraged" or "terrified" over this story needs anti-anxiety medication . . . there is really no story here, no drama, nothing to see folks, let's move on.
Are you really that closed minded not to see the real issue here? It has nothing to do with the kid! It has everything to do with a parent who was obviously spending more time supervising their child then actually making sure they were devoting their full attention to a job where one dumb little mistake or diversion of attention can KILL hundreds of people. The controller is lucky nothing happened. Dumb luck does not excuse putting other people's lives in danger because it is "cute" to hear a child's voice when it is never expected. I would never have my child perform my job for me, even if only repeating me and I am sure those who pay me to handle their highly sensitive issues would fire me if I did. What does this tell you about your safety and the security of our international airports? Over reacting? No. Controller, supervisor, and security should all be fired on the spot.
maybe if you read the last 30 or so comments that clearly stated the orders were to change radio frequency and had nothing to do with moving you would be a little less annoying right now.
flustered - If one were to follow your logic then one can only surmise that millions of people are in harm's way because children are allowed to live in the White House?
I think it is ridiculous that all of the media is making a big deal over nothing. It's an outrage that you would compare a child performing a couple air traffic control directions to a pilot who let his teenager crash a plane! If the child had said something that wasn't "clear" it would have been repeated and the parent was there in intervene. Can we not trust the people who work daily performing these operations to let their child experience what mom or dad does, when no one is getting hurt. It's not like they were going to make a plane crash! You guys are ridiculous. Oh and the "FAA" comment; that's just textbook defense...please had this not gotten out to you guys it would have been fine to for another child to get the opportunity. Really don't understand why you guys have to ruin things for normal people!
This is a non-story. I am a retired controller with 30 years of service. First, the controller should not have let his boy broadcast to live traffic. It may have been "cute" but not the right place and time. However, the kid sounded pretty good. His phraseology was near perfect. If he picked that up from his father, maybe his father is a great controller and taking him away from doing his job is a mistake. A letter of reprimand would suffice and be removed from his file in 30 days. Next, I'd make sure that when his son is elligable to be hired by the FAA, hire the boy and put him to work in the tower. The kid sounded pretty good to me; if son is like father, we have a winner here. Try listening to the "fast track" FAA controller graduates...if you do, you'll maybe want this kid controlling your next flight.
Back off. You can tell the child was supervised. How are our children supposed to learn? What if the child has an illness and it was a dream of his/hers?
OMG, was it stated that this was a "Make A Wish"? NO. Children learn in the CLASSROOM and if they go for training to be an air traffic controller, they go to air traffic training. Again, had a family member of yours been on that plane, you'd be screaming your head off an crying foul. Easy to sit back and claim no big deal when you're not connected. This in the news just fuels terrorists with ideas.
I'm sure there would have been ways to clear it and make it happen...then we'd be reading a feel good story instead. The whole ask for forgiveness rather than permission mantra doesn't fly in this situation. Cleared for takeoff...what's the worst that can happen even if the aircrew found it entertaining and busted a gut laughing on departure?...watch out for the...birds...I'm going in the Hudson. Sure, Bird strikes happen all the time, and this probably wouldn't have been a causal factor. But, the point is that noone in this industry is going to bend over and take it during an investigation because something like this is in the transcripts. I think you'd have a different perspective if these recordings were brought to light under those circumstances as well.
OMG, was it stated that this was a "Make A Wish?
So, if it was for a "Make A Wish" child it would have been okay to let them do this, but not for any other child? What kind of sense does that make? It's either dangerous or it's not.
This in the news just fuels terrorists with ideas.
Really? I can see the headlines now "TERRORIST CHILDREN INFILTRATE ATC TOWERS AND CAUSE MAJOR CATASTROPHIES!!!"
Cleared for takeoff...what's the worst that can happen even if the aircrew found it entertaining and busted a gut laughing on departure?...
If the kid was making the DECISIONS I would agree. But he wasn't. He was told what to say and when to say it after the normal checks were done by the adults. This is like saying it's wreckless for a mute person or non-native language person have an interpreter speak for them. You just say what you're told.
He wasn't piloting the plane, for chrissakes, he was repeating INSTRUCTIONS given to him by his dad, some people just LOVE to exaggerate or twist the facts to support their viewpoint.
Allen, the point is that it's official record and open to subsequent scrutiny of conditions leading to...no matter how significant or insignificant a factor. If one of those jets had a mishap where that was the condition under which those transcripts and recordings became public knowledge, people would paint the environment as being unprofessional among other adjectives. It would be a circus to say the least. It just can't happen this way. On a basic no harm was done level, it's just one of those things. It just can't happen.
OMG, was it stated that this was a "Make A Wish"? NO. Children learn in the CLASSROOM and if they go for training to be an air traffic controller, they go to air traffic training.
Lemonverbeena, I pray to god for your husband. But for some reason, I picture you more of a multiple cats-for-pets type person...
I bet that if an accident had occurded with someone close to these people who say this was ok that an adult who is working on a job that requires his full attention was concentrating more on his kid, these same people would be the first to sue and complain. It's cute until something happens that affects you directly. What he did is unacceptable!
I am jumping in , it's ridiculous that this is a news story ! This was a moment of a lifetime for this child , completely supervised . What's next ? no more sounding the horns or sirens for the kids ? If JFK tower had an issue with this they could deal with it internally . I would hope the controller and his supervisor are back to work by today !
Air traffic controllers are responsible for the safety of ground crew, pilots and passengers, and allowing a child to direct traffic is irresponsible at best and extremely dangerous at worst. The media should be commended for exposing this. It's one thing to expose your children to the workplace -- quite another to allow them to clear planes at one of the busiest airports in the country. It's easy to blame the media because, luckily, the incident didn't end in tragedy. Had the pilot misunderstood, had the pilot required emergency instruction, or had the pilot dismissed an instruction assuming a child's voice was a prank, this "harmless" situation could have ended with a loss of innocent life in the split second it would take for the father to retake the air traffic contols from his kid. The controller and his supervisor should be fired, plain and simple. I'm glad the media discovered this...perhaps this will force some accountability.
You have got to be kidding me. First of all the kid was not "clearing planes" he was repeating the instructions from a trained professional who was right there along with his supervisor. This is how kids are inspired to stay in school, to get a good education and persue a good job with a bright future. Secondly thats an awful lot of "ifs" what if the plane fell apart, what if there was a radical on the plane, what if the bathroom ran out of toilet paper? You can "what if" any situation into a total panic. The controller and supervisor should be back on the job imediately. There is a shortage of these professionals and they just inspired a child to become one of them.
Im glad the media covered this too. Im just sorry they are such alarmists and that you cant see this as the great opprotunity it was for this kid.
You should just be happy "Dad" wasnt a brain surgeon. LOL
Good counterpoint. Hopefully the kid will be inspired to stay in school, where he can learn to spell "pursue" correctly, or learn proper use of apostrophes.
Bad counterpoint, ContactDeparture. Instead of coming back with meaningful dialogue about your POV, you resort to contemptible (not to mention immature) attacks. Grow up please.
See initial post for meaningful dialogue.
Perhaps if I'm immature enough, I'll qualify to clear flights for departure at JFK.
Game, set, match. Thank you, and goodnight!
ContactD.
Perhaps you should go back to school and learn how to spell. Read your first post. I love it when an idiot gets caught out.
Had the pilot misunderstood, had the pilot required emergency instruction, or had the pilot dismissed an instruction assuming a child's voice was a prank, this "harmless" situation could have ended with a loss of innocent life in the split second it would take for the father to retake the air traffic contols from his kid.
I don't always believe in the media. But I do agree with you 100 % that the employee of this child needs to be let go. If I as a passenger on that airplane would have found out that a kid was directing traffic, I would have contacted my attorney right away. It is not the childs fault, it is the parents fault. This kid may not ever find out what responsibilty really means. This child doesn't know any better, just as the parent. Very scary. What scares me even more is that most peole voted that it is " No big deal." Let's see if they still look at the situation the same way while there plane is going down. Will they still say :"No big deal ?"
JFK is not remotely close to being one of the busiest airports in the country. As far as letting your kid parrot you for a few departures on an obviously sterile runway this is much ado about nothing. The pilots all obviously got a kick out of it.
"in the split second it would take for the father to retake the air traffic contols from his kid"
Contact departure, thanks for the chuckle. This is the funniest thing I've seen today. I didn't realize ATC has "controls" in the tower to handle aircraft. Yet another uninformed opinion.
Gabriela, lighten up huh? As has been stated 100 times already the kid was not "directing traffic" but just relaying simple instructions from a controller, who was also wearing a headset and was never out of contact. Your knee-jerk reaction to call an attorney is laughable. And pathetic.
Wiley- You know what I mean by "controls" -- to re-take control of the situation from his kid blurting "adios amigos" into the mic.
Look, in all sincerity and idiotic comments aside (including mine), I understand everyone's opinion that "this wasn't a big deal."
But man, being in a ATC tower isn't the same as sitting in a parked fire truck or stapling papers for daddy at some office.
This job requires concentration and quick reactions. There are other people in the tower that can be distracted by the kid, too.
Respectfully, ATC has to adhere -- perhaps unfairly in your opinion -- to a higher standard of decorum and focus. There can't be wiggle room for this kind of behavior when directing air traffic. Yeah, it sucks...no fun at work. But that's the type of job it is.
All former silliness aside in my responses, discipline is warranted.
Why in the world is this a lead story? There was just a devastating earthquake in Chile, we're in multiple wars, and the jobless rate is higher than ever. Yet, a man taking his child to work is what we get? None of the pilots - or even airlines for that matter - seemed to bat an eye at this. It almost seemed like a refreshing voice for some pilots, many of whom assumedly have children at home that they are away from. One pilot goes as far as to tell him "awesome job." This is a case of making a story out of something that is not a story. It's not like he had him directing planes in the air, he was simply readying them for take-off. If a pilot had not heard him correctly, he could have simply asked him to repeat himself. Please don't stoop to this level, creating such stories. I for a short time thought NBC was reclaiming its pride. Guess we won't see you guys back at the top in our lifetime.
Matt
Simple Matt. The liberal controlled media runs crap like this to take your attention away from all the stuff you just mentioned. If they detract and enrage the people enough with fodder like this, they can slip their piece of crap healthcare bill and regulation over every aspect of our lives agenda down our throats unnoticed...
Kid in control tower = Liberal health care agenda.
That literally NEVER occurred to me, Mark.
Then again, I don't have circus music playing in my head.
The child was supervised. The Newspaper that reported this so vigorously should be boycotted, apparently they do not know what real news is. The worst that should have happened to the supervisor and the controller was a reprimand. More for show than anything. When we crush the dreams of children we damage our own futures. It's really sad.
C'mon people. This is really a way for NBC to focus group a new Universal pilot. It's a one hour show that stars a 10 yr old kid who has an IQ of 170 and has a love of flying. First he goes up in the tower and does those jobs (in the pilot he saves a 747 FedEx cargo plane from going down in the Hudson River).
Amen! There should have been NO repercussions! It's not like the adults bailed and left kids in charge. The only possible cause for concern I have is this: what would have been done with the kid (supervision etc) if an air emergency had occurred while the parent was on duty? For that precautionary reason alone I think it may not have been wise to have the kid up in the tower in the first place. But with everything going smoothly and the adults right there, I see absolutely nothing wrong with giving the kid the microphone for a transmission or two.
No repercussions? really?! Well this guy was supposed to be watching other planes up in the air at the time. while he was busy playing daddy, he was distracted from his real job.If a plane had gone down on his shift because he was letting his kids play air traffick controller and it came out he had been distracted you would be demanding his being tared and feathered and fired and held accountable for this. let's see how you all feel the next you are on some flight and you find out the reason your flight was delayed was because daddy was letting his kids play at his desk.
This "could" have been such a positive experience for the child!.Who was closely monitored by a caring parent. (In working so hard to be negative did the media miss that part?) And no it wouldn't have bothered me at ALL if I had been in one of those planes. I agree totally with Ksnider414!
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This is such a ridiculous situation. I'm a trained pilot and the FIRST thing you learn about radio communication is this.
If you don't understand what you were just told, or aren't sure if you heard it properly, or if you think what you were just asked to do is incorrect or dangerous... ASK AGAIN.
There is no way at all that anyone was in any danger. It's not like he could clear anyone EXCEPT the one plane on the runway for takeoff! It was simply "clear for take off" followed by "contact departure" both of which are 100% normal operations that happen on every single flight that ever takes off from JFK.
How about we applaud the parent for taking an interest in their child's learning. Like someone else said... if he was sitting in the left seat of the cockpit, I'd be worried. This... is ridiculous...
And to top it off, the ONE time the unions might actually do something USEFUL and they basically DENOUNCE their own member! Sheesh!
Agreed! It's my understanding that pilots are lighthearted on the airwaves sometimes joke around at less busy times, and this seems no different. You hear about air traffic controllers turning their backs for a minute and something bad happening--that happens WITHOUT the child present.. In this case, the parent WAS fully attentive. Besides, it's not like the child was the ONLY one in the room!
Believe it or not, radio is the THIRD priority for a pilot.
1) Fly the plane, keep it in the air.
2) Know where you are
3) Talk to people
aka. Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.
Plus, there is a rule in the FARs (aka CFR part 14, the rules for flying), which states that a pilot can ignore ANY other rule at HIS discretion to deal with an emergency. The ultimate authority for a plane is the captain. So any pilot that had an issue with this could have simply said "Negative until I hear from a certified controller"
And he could have sat there all day long, blocking the runway, if he felt like it and been free from prosecution.
So why didn't they? Because there was no danger, he was ON THE RUNWAY and got cleared to takeoff. Errr... Yeah...
And to the person who asked "would it be OK if it were your loved ones?" ABSOLUTELY. I know a lot about ATC operations and the child, if they were sitting still and attentive (as they clearly were) were less of a distraction than your buddy asking if you'd like a coffee.
Until 9/11 kids used to be taken up to the cockpit IN FLIGHT as a matter of routine... if you wanna put things in context that's WAY more risky (and yet... not risky at all excepting terrorism!)
People really need to take a chill pill on this!
What plane are you flying. Please tell me. So I can make sure I will not board the plane. WOW.........
any body else remember the recent midair collision caused by a controller having a cell phone conversation with his girlfriend? how is this different?
Well while you are applauding him taking his child to work and he is busy being distracted and you need to know something regarding oh say weather or heavey traffick.... and see my husband was also an pilot so Iknow a few things too... and one is you never allow yourself to be distracted with planes in the sky...he screwed up. He could of come in on his day off and showed them how it was done and not when he is supposed to be closely monitoring air craft in the sky.The man was wrong and so was his supervisore. He should of done this on a day off when he was not being responsible for other air craft and he should of had someone else watching for him in case of an emergency.yeah it was cute and adorable....for 30 seconds.There is supposed to be soemthing called professionalism and he was not being that.
Whats the big deal? The kid was probably on time for work and not hungover, aside from the likelyhood that the pilots were probably intoxicated. And what about the stoned technicians that perform maintenance on the planes? and why are there no bones in ice cream? Find some real issues to complain about.
I'm more outraged that all of our pathetic media outlets are trying to sell this like it's important news.
I am really amazed at the comments that strongly feel it was not a big deal.....if the parent breaks this policy in the tower, what will he do next to possibly endanger the crews and passengers.....perhaps come to work under the influence of something? Definitely, discipline is in order here.....
Yeah! Because letting your kid repeat the command for takeoff is just a gateway for having sex and drug parties in the tower and crashing all planes just for the thrill of it!
Just look at the voting results all you freak out people, the vast majority of voters don't care!
Yes, SariEvan, because repeating what a KNOWLEDGEABLE, TRAINED adult said is going to kill people and "endanger" them, OMG! Lock them ALL up in jail and throw away the key, the bastards...what were they thinking??? I can definitely see a murderer in the making thanks to dad's poor example of what it takes to support a family *rolls eyes*.
I can see why they shouldn't be allowed to do it. This guy was obviously well in control and was supervising his child VERY closely (so close you can hear him telling him what to say) But if they let these guys get away with it, they think it could get out of hand when others try to do the same thing and aren't as careful.
Wow this guy needs put away he spent time with his kid and showed him what going to work means. Maybe if more Dads did this so many young people wouldnt suck everything they can from the government. I personally applaud this guy and encourage more people to show there kids what it means to go to work and make money instead of sitting on the couch playing video games. If these people get fired it would be a crime.
It's obvious that there is no real issue here except for what the popular press is trying to create. Life is difficult enough without such people making it more-so. It was a great experience for all involved so why criminalize a good event? The fact that these people are being punished makes me angry, but certainly not at the participants. I say God bless and protect them from any more ignorant reactions.
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He was told what to say and to whom by an air traffic controller. Wouldn't bother me in the least. I think it's neat for the kid.